A fellow on YouTube posted video of his dog giving birth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgjMfr-n_NE#NhrDAQc-9Cw.
I posted a comment: I realize the intention behind this and yes, it's sweet. Unfortunately, neither dogs nor women need to labor and birth their babies with bright lights and a man telling them when to push. Jeez... their bodies know how to push and when to push.
And, here's what I got:
I dont post things like this because it is negative, but it more as ignorant than negative. The excitement & nervousness of this took over me. I was scared for her. 2 out of the 3 pups came out backwards and got stuck, and I had to get them out, you did not see what happened in the 3 hours of her labor to know why I said to push. One of the pups was stuck so long it stopped breathing and I gave it mouth to mouth for three minutes to revive it.
And, then, the fellow who doesn't like negativity continues:
Furthermore I have worked in the medical field and delivered 5 babies in an ER. The 2 most common words in the delivery room are "breathe" and "push". And what do you mean that they do not need a "MAN" telling them this? Take the stick out your ass and keep your mouth shut if you have nothing nice to say, especially when you have no idea what you are talking about and who you are trying to preach it too!
Nice, eh? So much for not posting negative things! So, here's my response:
He asks what do "you mean that they do not need a "MAN" telling them this?" Since he asked --- please don't assume I am a roaring, flaming, bitchy feminist who hates men. I am not. This is very interesting right after my previous post about a new spin on "body language" and how our expression reflects the emotions held in our viscera. Our emotions are in the body and the mind processes it and puts words to it -- raw emotions are reflect in our language related to organs functions. So, "take the stick our your ass and keep your mouth shut if you have nothing nice to say." "Sounds like" he is angry and has some "control" issues (anal and oral). Do I really need to ask, "And... so how do you feel about that?"
The fact that he has done that to five human women and their baby in the ER doesn't make it right and me wrong. Read the "peer-reviewed" literature about coached pushing (aka Purple Pushing known to slow birth)and go back to beginning physiology to review the pulmonary process of the blood transfer from the placenta to the lungs to expand the capillaries to move the fluids from the lungs. It's a physiological process to transition from a water breathing fetus to an air breathing newborn, whether it's a monkey, a dog, a cow, or a human. The being has the ability to function physiologically without the neocortex thinking, just as embryonic cell division and tissue differentiation happens by some intelligence or design before woman or dog owner even knows babies are there. Three types of tissue differentiate from one to become the heart, brain, bones and everything else to make the baby --- without the mother knowing how, when, and what to do. And, certainly, it happens without the doctor's instruction and touch. Cloning is one thing -- but "MAN" can still not make a baby, birth a baby, or sustain a baby at the breast. What's the big misconception about medicine (men/other humans) getting the baby out and making sure it survives?
Modern medicine perpetuates the belief that Nature has failed to provide that ability to the woman to birth. Nature that is exquisite and perfect in all other aspects of pro-creation just imperfectly left out that important piece of info -- how to get the baby out (even though in most cases in the world there is no man, doctor, knives, or forceps available)? And, then Nature hasn't provided for the way for the baby to breathe without rough over-stimulation and coaching? Babies are resuscitated routinely "in case" of, for liability reasons, not because they need to be. Research shows that resusciation has no impact on aspiration from meconium but the certifying board is not yet teaching this to doctors -- is IS hard to teach an old god, I mean, DOG, new tricks -- especially if it cuts into his bone supply. No birthing mammal needs AUTOMATICALLY to be coached to breathe. They just need placental blood to do so – it takes five or more breaths (pulses of the cord) to do so before he does so on his own. Babies can transition into breathing easily, peacefully, and gently. Doctors never see this in training.
My comment to this fellow was neither ignorant or negative, but well-informed, and ok, maybe a little flippant. I am so tired of seeing these images. I am simply an advocate of instinctual, mother-directed, baby-focused birth and I wanted to point it out. Too many folks watch babies being pulled, yanked, and roughly handled, cord cut immediately and then heroically "resuscitated to prevent" a rarely occuring problem, and they never realized how disrupted the baby is. Baby is crying and thrashing and observers smile and say, "Ooh and ahh, so cute." Not me.
I didn't post an "Oooh and ahhhh, you are so wonderful" at the doggy birth and instead, pointed out some similarities to birthing women. But, uh oh, the filmer is a doctor (I am lead to fear, but is probably a nurse) and has delivered five babies in the ER ,and I am told "to pull the stick out of my ass" for opposing his view. Just the "stranger" I wouldn't want catching my baby.
I also don't oooh and ahhh at a hospital birth watching a woman when her body knows she needs to rest a moment to allow the birthing baby to rest and adjust, but the panic-educated doctors and nurses won't let her and they yell at her to push as she begs to rest. No regard for physiology. The baby is pulled from the mother, is scrubbed, poked, and prodded while it cries and thrashes with fisted hands, to stop the person doing so. They don't stop. Before women were conditioned to believe that their bodies couldn't do it, the situation you describe is rare for either dogs or women, and people observing often do get nervous and intervene. The dog master/filmer/medical expert's voice was loving and concerned -- the love and care is obvious. Viewers see that clearly. So do I. I just saw more. Bright lights and coached pushing happens thousands of times a day in maternity wards and ER’s.
So, point is, while birth is fascinating to watch and we get emotional about it, it doesn't change that females of every species know how to give birth and when left alone, even with a baby coming out backwards or struggling, she knows how to get the job done without humans. The only females who don't are humans and it's not because she doesn't know how -- she is just not allowed to. It may not happen as fast as the observer would like, the problem with women birthing. Animals birthing gets the job done most of the time without human's "helping". She knows how to birth the baby that is backwards and she knows how to get her baby to breathe. Mammals instinctively, physiologically know how to birth their babies. That's why we have so many animal shelters.
I am not dis'in' the filmer for helping but the evolving perception that female human body doesn't work and needs someone to coach her to push and breathe , even when there is no problem, IS a problem contributing to the major issues of obstetric medicine and malpractice. Check out this long list of articles about medicine and obstetric care from the perspective of malpractice and other doctor and hospital concerns. http://cgood.org/healthcare-newscommentary-watch.html. The Common Good Restoring Common Sense to America site. Doctors cannot rely on the law to protect sensible decisions. Legal fear is eroding the quality and availability of healthcare in America. Common Good's MedWatch collects recent news and commentary reflecting on this trend. I just advocate for bridging the gap between the issues doctors face and how their resulting behavior affects the human baby. It's challenging to get them to look at how they behave towards those who would like babies born naturally, gently, guided by her body, and in a protected space. That would be without drugs, force, coached pushing (shown in their own research to be detrimental and to prolong the birth), and without constant disruption.
Doctors who attend birth don't impress me much -- unless they practice an "evidence-based" physiological model of maternity care. They don't practice what they learned in basic physiology. And, if they do see the baby is a soul coming into this world and honor birth as sacred and intimate I am pretty darn close to seeing the doctor as a God.
For mammals, left alone, with the cord intact to pulse blood from the placenta to the lungs to remove the fluid in the lungs, it takes about five+ minutes to take the first big breath. My one-year old German shepherd had 12 mutts in the middle of torrential rainstorms, under a trailer and they all lived - I confess I was zero compassionate with her for climbing a six foot fence and visiting the black Lab down the road. Her second purebred litter, when we tried to help her by handling the puppies and cleaning them, BECAUSE of the "investment" involved, etc. we lost three of the twelve. I learned from my cousin, a dog breeder, to just watch and let them do what they know instinctively to do. To sit on our hands (me and my obstetrician husband) and marvel at the amazing female and what she can do. Humans need to do the same, as Michel Odent tells us. That is not what they were trained to do. But, Wow, guess what! Maybe You CAN teach an old dog new tricks!! Teach them to just watch and marvel. Birth is amazing. But doctors can’t do that in the ER when a woman comes in --- she is in need of emergency care, partly because she is part of the evolution of belief that she can’t do it. If she believes it so in her neocortex and doesn't have trust and support to let her body work instinctively, she can not birth unless she is in the hospital with the expert someone telling her what to do and when. Doctors are needed in that case. Push and pull – it’s their license as she has given up responsibility and power to them and they pay dearly for it. So does the baby.
So, Dude --- your dog is amazing and the pups are cute -- either way. It's even more amazing to me that women can actually give birth in the hospital with such lack of privacy, disruptions, and violations. Dogs and cats, too. Thanks for sharing it and thanks for being my "muse" for the day. Hey, I am just passionate about making birth safe and loving for the human baby.