"The the sky blue, grass is green, and the sun is yellow.

And they are natural and work together to support the planet and each of us. We don't need to interrupt them or improve them to make rain, air, food, or energy. We trust them even though sometimes nature creates storms and catastrophes that can kill us."

"NO!, you are lying, nature is not capable, and you are not trained or educated to know how this works", says the blogger on homebirthdebate.

The blogger on homebirthdate has taunted and ridiculed a well-respected author and researcher of obstetric medicine, Henci Goer, to debate with her about one itty bitty piece of literature that even other OB's cite in their discussion of the need to lower the cesarean rate. The author wisely declines knowing from her own online discussion board it is not a dialog or even debate, but a repeated attack. What is this blogger's beef, as she argues an elementary "fact" to a point of absurdity, never winning while claiming to? Arguing against the colors blue, green, yellow, and even more emphatically against the claims of beauty and diversity in the shades of colors. The sky is grey and at night it is pink and purple. Grass can be brown and even blue. The sun can be white to yellow to orange. Declarations of beauty and appreciation, like birth is intimate, birth is ecstatic, or birth is natural are the observations of the experience of the natural beauty. The colors weren't the main point.

The point was there is no separation of the sky, the sun, and the land. The point is the human being is made to reproduce and there is a natural, divine order to it. It all works together because of laws of nature. Science confirms and learns new things everyday and changes previous beliefs and findings. How the things in nature function,well, naturally, without our thought or effort, and by some divine order beyond humans, and, how when we mess with nature, we create a ripple effect of disorder in our lives -- that's the point of the discussion about homebirth versus hospital birth. Not constant disagreement of the colors. Like the blogger would ever see a changing shade of blue, green, or yellow.

Yesterday I posted an article by an OB who is an integrative physician in support of the midwifery model of care (and cited the Johnson, Daviss study) and alternative medicine. He gave examples of successful alternatives he uses in his (quite successful) practice. Low and behold, the blogger who won't answer my questions about drug research, while trashing a reputable author, today has posted an article against alternative medicine. Cherry-pickin' some folks have called it when she does this. Arguing about color, not process. I call it out and out denial of the subject and a DISTRACTION of the masses from the TRUTH by one who benefits from the lambs blindly following --- and that TRUTH is that hospital birth is dangerous BECAUSE of the misuse of drugs and interventions and the violating, unconscious care of the human beings, in particular, the newborn.

Yet, the blogger won't have a discussion with me, or the public, about the use of unresearched and misused drugs and treatment of women and babies (and the emotional, physical, spiritual, and psychological lifelong consequences to the human baby). She won't have that discussion with Henci Goer either. Henci's got the information. The blogger knows it. Better to argue that the sky is always blue, simply blue.

My information and research about the how the baby is affected by the medical and technological interventions were immediately deleted on homebirthdebate, and I was banned. I have to wonder ---I have asked (her or any one) repeatedly since May for the RESEARCH and SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that shows that the DRUGS USED IN LABOR AND BIRTH -- EVER used -- were shown to be safe before using. I wonder why she won't directly address this?

Specifically, where is the research that shows that ether was safe, that "saddle blocks" were safe, that the "twighlight" cocktail was safe, that scopalamine was safe, that bovine oxytocin was safe, that Demerol was safe, that bupivacaine (and others it is compared to see which is less harmful AFTER use) was safe, that cytotec was safe BEFORE USING when we are birthing a brand new baby. And, why are they continued to be used when shown unsafe (ie., epidural, cytotec) until the lambs believe they are not only safe, but even "natural."? Hospital birth is as natural as the ski resorts where they make snow -- even in Iowa! It's not real snow and one can ski, but I understand skiers and snowboarders prefer real snow. You can go to Tan World and become a weird shade of something, or you can buy a chicken grown in fifteen days with hormones and antibiotics (rather than grain and grass in eight weeks). We can't replicate what Mother Nature is and does, or how or why.

In October I posted research from the late eighties and early 90's that clearly showed the detrimental and life-threatening effects of epidural anesthesia on the mother and her birthing baby on the homebirthdebate blog and it was deleted. THIS info was JUST about during labor, birth, and neonatally when the hospital is in control and vigilant (responsible) - that neonatal stage, not the first year of entire life of human. I also posted info and links about the leaders in the multidisciplinary field of pre and perinatal psych and development and their developing techniques for resolving the trauma of birth. They were deleted and I was banned.

On this blog this weekend I also posted links to a documentary, "What Babies Want" at www.whatbabieswant.com featuring these folks and a neurobiologist'swww.pnri.net.

What color is the sky, the grass, or the sun? Does it really matter what shades a person sees? What matters is what they mean to us on this planet. They are natural and they work together to support this planet that nurtures and sustains us. We could get into the science of how that is -- we all learned it in elementary and junior high. We "know" it," believe" it, and "trust" it that somehow this cycle of relationships between these things will continue to provide us with oxygen, water, our food source, and sun rays. Believing in nature's design for a man and woman to conceive, grow, and birth a baby is like believing the sun will shine, and the rains will come, and the grass will grow, and experience tells us it does so better when we humans don't interfere.

When we mess with the things of nature we get bad results -- as seen in our food, air, and water sources now. Natural birth is just part of growing inner knowing that we must stop what we are doing -- thankfully, now many doctors and other scientists are looking at this. Too many people in too many places are confirming alternative and integrative medicine --- especially patients! -- for one little ole blogger to "change" that with her distraction of the truth. Many scientists from many disciplines are putting together the pieces of the puzzle that show us that the human baby's experience of birth is remembered and that it affects one for life.

Non-medically needed induction and the use of narcotics and epidural, and surgical birth (without even getting into the unconscious, rough, disrespectful care and the control that leads to women being powerless in the medical machines conveyor belt of birth) is wrecking havoc with humanity. NEVER were these shown to be safe for the baby and mom, and now any attempt to look retrospectively at the aftermath is viciously, dogmatically opposed by a blogger who is anti-natural and homebirth.

Yaaaaaaaawn...... until she can:

SHOW ME the RESEARCH that shows that ANY DRUG, but in particular drugs and substances for INDUCTION and EPIDURAL drugs were EVER STUDIED and SHOWN to be SAFE for the WOMAN and the BABY BEFORE USING and over time becoming STANDARD PROTOCOL that we now -- those misled -- have to prove is wrong.