The Other Side of the Glass

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Thursday, November 23, 2006

The Burden of Proof is on the Medical Establishment and the Physicians to Show What They Do is Safe.

From, Dr. Amy posts:

"There's no debate if the other side gives up

Well, no one can say that I am not trying to debate homebirth advocates. I guess it's not surprising that I did not get very far in my attempt to draw Henci Goer into a debate. It can't be a true debate if one side will debate only if it is sure it can win."

and later,

"I'd be happy to participate in such a debate on my website, or a neutral website, but I cannot find any professional homebirth advocates who are willing. Indeed, I cannot find any evidence that any professional homebirth advocate has presented his or her work to a scientific audience and taken questions in response. The unwillingness on the part of homebirth advocates to engage in a true scientific debate, a debate with others who have a command of the literature and a knowledge of statistics, speaks volumes about the quality of the claims; a large proportion of their claims are not defensible."

Safe Birth Partners:

Many people have attempted to engage with Dr. Amy about the merits of the scientific research about the safety of homebirth, use of drugs and denial of the physiological process of birth and pain, and the unnecessary and routine use drugs and interventions that make hospital birth unsafe. Many have been banned for posting powerful, sound information which does not fit in the bloggers agenda of "winning" as she alludes to in the opening of the posts.

I have absolute respect for the medical profession and the skills and ability for a physician to save a woman's and a baby's lives -- been there. Fifty years ago this Monday I arrived alive because of a physician who broke my clavicle and used forceps -- with a saddle block (epidural of the 50's). Today, I am grateful, and HOW those interventions (unconscious, brutal) were delivered affected me for life - physically, emotionally, and spiritually. I absolutely, in every cell of me, believe a baby's birth is his or her birth and that a woman's body is made to give birth. This should guide who, what, how, when, and why of every action and decision. Whatever we do to a laboring and birthing mother-baby dyad should be done with awareness, gently, and with the understand one is interrupting a significant process, life-threatening or not.

I deeply respect both medical knowledge and the "natural birth movement" and the people in both. I am in the middle -- hoping we can join hands. I, for one, have no need to see Henci and Amy duking it out under the conditions I have observed and experienced of the doctor's style of debate. Two uncomfortable images come up for me -- Junior High girl "cat fights" and "girl on girl action." NO THANNNNK YOU. We woman need to stop hurting each other. Henci is a wise woman.

Sadly, many women who shared their own experience of natural birth with the doctor were quite negatively rebuffed as their experience of painfree or managable pain, esctatic, empowering, and peaceful birth ws declared to not be verifiable by scientific methods. As well, women who share their stories of anguish or depression, and powerless in hospital birth are denigrated and denied. "There is no scientific evidence to prove this." End of debate with the conclusion that women who experience natural and empowered birth are judgemental of other women and setting them up for disappointment. Sadly, the blogger only wants to come to conclusion of the hospital as the a winner of a contest between homebirth and hospital birth safety, without embracing ALL of the research that shows the only winning would be the creation of the best care possible for the human baby.

Dr. Amy denies the validity of the work of Michel Odent, MD, a French surgeon who became a physician who attended homebirths and who has written many books and hosts an extensive online reference site ( In Primal Health, ODent describes basic physiology of the primal period of the human being. The consequences of altering labor by inducing and use of drug PREVENTS a WOMAN and her BABY from using their own hormones to do a biological process. He describes in simple understanding how our lifelong health and dysfunction is ESTABLISHED in birth and disruptions with drugs and surgery interferes with the primal system (nervous system, immune system, and endocrine (hormones) system. The scientific understanding is substantiated in the prolific research field of fetal programming (check NIH). Peter Nathanielsz, PhD (vet) and MD (OB) has contributed three books to the understanding of the prenatal period as the origin of health and pathology. It is logical then that the period of labor and birth is also a time when outside influences and experience affect the baby's hormonal, brain and body functioning. Cellular biologist, Bruce Lipton explains this further in The Biology of Belief ( Physicians, nurses, psychologists and therapists are putting this science into practice, techniques, and modalities for caring for women and babies diffeently and to heal birth experiences. Those with vested interests in maintaining the obstetric field of medicine are not looking at this research. All of this information was removed from Dr. Amy's site and the poster was banned.

These scientists confirm that one can know that birth is safe and that a woman's body knows how to give birth in a whole-body, sensate, emotional, mental, and spiritual experience. It is not merely studied in books and literature -- it is confirmed. This truth is generally observed and stongly felt by supporters of physiological birth who have EXPERIENCED or OBSERVED a planned, natural birth out side of the hospital; one that medically trained people can no longer enforce upon them the old out-dated medical science paradigm that purports "only the doctors know birth" and "birth is a medical crisis to be managed" and "birth is safe only in the hospital." NONE of these are true to those who have experienced it either giving birth, or attending, supporting, or observing the miracle of a woman's body giving birth without disruption. These people have torn a gaping hole in the shroud of control and secrecy and know what medical people don't. They can't be won over. They look at the "scientific research" touted by medical caregivers in a new way and see it is very flawed. It simply does not match their real life experience once they have stepped outside the controling confinement of medical malscience, I call it. They know well the reality of birth and the inherent dangers AND they know the power of the physiological experience of birth. They know that medical establishment is not recognizing the need for or allowing new research to emerge.

There is a proliferation of research and new information in the New Biology, New Physics fields ( and,, that supports the "gut feeling" that medicine, and obstetrics in particular, isn't very scientific after all. Medicine is based on Newtonian theory that is no longer seen as relevant or accurate. Add that to the fact it is becoming well-known that research on safety of drugs is ghastly flawed, serves to benefit the wealth of pharm companies and physicians, and more importantly, clearly shows that the consumer is not adequately protected PRIOR to the introduction of drugs. Who wants to debate the merits and science of drug use with the drug pushers?

The BURDEN of proof is on medicine and science to prove that what THEY do that is outside the realm of natural, physiological birth. The birth of the human being into this world is the most important event of his or her life --- doing so "under the influence" of narcotics (and the resulting interventions) may be the most damaging thing we can do to a human being. It is also the most lucrative -- and the science, were the medical and psychological fields to allow the research, would be revealed to be what keeps them in business for the lifetime of the human.

The common practice of episotomy has ended as a result of the insistence by women to practice evidenced-based medicine. Natural birth movement is insisting that all obstetric practices be put under the microscope of "evidence-based science". There is NO RESEARCH to support the practices of artificially rupturing membranes ("to speed it up"), the supine position for delivery, cord cutting before delivery of the placenta, and many others. There is NO RESEARCH to support the common practice of inducing labor and using drugs in birth, while physiology easily explains with scientific research WHY these SHOULD NOT be done unless MEDICALLY NECESSARY.

In May of 2006 I asked Dr. Amy and other bloggers on Dr. Crippen's blog to provide any scientific research that showed that ANY of the drugs EVER used on laboring and birthing babies and woman was shown to be SAFE. Specifically, I want to see the peer-reviewed scientific studies that show us that INDUCTION of the baby's labor and the USE of EPIDURAL ANESTHESIA -- narcotics!! -- are SAFE. THERE IS NONE!

From the eighties on there is a proliferation of their own research looking at and discussing the medical consequences of epidural anesthesia. There is research to look at the different kinds of narcotics and mistures BECAUSE of the RESULTING physiological negative consequences of the epidurals. In the literature doctors have, over the past twenty years, tweaked out which drugs are less damaging so create the best little cocktail possible, ie. so that now women can be partially numb as birth is imminent. For decades the effects of narcotics have been identifed and the resulting "Quality" peer-reviewed research in medicine began the tedious research to find the best narcotic, the best dose, the best timing, and on and on. ALL of this "SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH" TO FIND THE LEAST OBVIOUS DAMAGING PROTOCOLS WAS DONE ON UNIFORMED AND NON-CONSENTING HUMAN BABIES. This is how EVERY single drug ever used in labor and birth has been studied. Drugs are stopped AFTER knowing the damage.

Who is to hold accountable the medical establishment and "scientists" (are doctors really scientists?) who are really just educated by pharmcuetical industry.

It is abhorent that peer-reviewed, doctor/medical business and drug industry controlled research are medically and socially sanctioned to do decade after decade of medical and drug research on the bodies and souls uninformed, non-consenting women -- and their babies. The generational impact of this to the human baby, male and female is an outrage. It is morally, ethically, legally, and spiritually wrong. It is obsene to promote the use of narcotics at birth as safe for the birthing human, WHILE "America's War on Drugs" rages on, and while school children (with poor impulse, motivation, and boundaries) are being drugged with presciptions of narcotics but taught in billion-dollar programs to "Just say no!" It is immorale and negligent to promote cesarean birth as safe when there is no research to prove this WHILE the incidence of every devasting childhood illness goes up.

In pre and perinatal psychology we know that poor impluse control, motivation, follow through, integration, and boundaries are all established in the brain of the laborin and birthing baby. Medical establishment is fighting like hell to prevent this research that PROVES that disrupting by induction, drugs, interventions, surgery, and brutality of the first hour of life. THAT is the problem. A win would mean that women and babies are treated with aware, gentle, safe, and respectful care knowing that every single word, thought, and action is experienced and remembered by the birthing baby's brain.



1 comment:

Safe Baby Partners said...

Some of the most significant research coming out that supports the demand to support natural physiological birth and wise use of life-saving drugs and technology -- because of the emotional, physical, and spiritual consequences to the human baby -- were posted on Dr. Amy's site and they were removed.

Michele Odent, MD --,
Frederick Wirth, MD --
Peter Nathaniels, PhD (Vet), MD (OB), researcher and author of "Life in the Womb: The Origin of Health and Disease" and several other books is a leader in prenatal programming research. He tells us how it is that hormonally the baby sends the message to the mother and labor is begun. When one embraces the significance and ability of the prenatal baby, one has to look differently at the abilities and the needs of the laboring and birthing human. In the study of per and perinatal psychology then, is it known that the induction of the baby's labor is physiologically, emotionally, and spiritually a disruption that wounds.
David Chamberlain, PhD and Thomas Verney, MD -- co founders of the Association of Pre and Perinatal Psychology and Health at
Willima Emerson, PhD -- Grandfather of the trauma healing modality.
Raymond Castellino, DC -- His work is featured on video, "What Babies Want."

"Soft is the heart of a child. Do not harden it."

A public awareness reminder that things that happen behind the scenes, out of our sight, aren't always as rosy as we might think them to be. Perhaps its a restaurant cook who accidentally drops your burger on the floor before placing it on the bun and serving it to you. Here it's an overworked apathetic (pathetic) nurse giving my newborn daughter her first bath. Please comment and rate this video, so as to insure that it is viewed as widely as possible, perhaps to prevent other such abuse. -- The mother who posted this YouTube. How NOT to wash a baby on YouTube Are you going to try to tell me that "babies don't remember?" There is no difference to this baby's experience and the imprinting of her nervous system/brain and one that is held and cleaned by the mother or father either at the hospital or at home? By the way, this is probably NOT the baby's first bath. The nurse is ungloved. Medical staff protocol is that they can't handle a baby ungloved until is has been bathed (scrubbed if you've seen it) because the baby is a BIO-HAZARD -- for them. Never mind that the bio-hazard IS the baby's first line of defense against hospital germs.

Missouri Senator Louden Speaks

Finally, A Birth Film for Fathers

Part One of the "The Other Side of the Glass: Finally, A Birth Film for and about Men" was released June, 2013.

Through presentation of the current research and stories of fathers, the routine use of interventions are questioned. How we protect and support the physiological need of the human newborn attachment sequence is the foundation for creating safe birth wherever birth happens.

Based on knowing that babies are sentient beings and the experience of birth is remembered in the body, mind, and soul, fathers are asked to research for themselves what is best for their partner and baby and to prepare to protect their baby.

The film is designed for midwives, doulas, and couples, particularly fathers to work with their caregivers. Doctors and nurses in the medical environment are asked to "be kind" to the laboring, birthing baby, and newborn. They are called to be accountable for doing what science has been so clear about for decades. The mother-baby relationship is core for life. Doctors and nurses and hospital caregivers and administrators are asked to create protocols that protect the mother-baby relationship.

Men are asked to join together to address the vagaries of the medical system that harm their partner, baby and self in the process of the most defining moments of their lives. Men are asked to begin to challenge the system BEFORE they even conceive babies as there is no way to be assured of being able to protect his loved ones once they are in the medical machine, the war zone, on the conveyor belt -- some of the ways that men describe their journey into fatherhood in the medicine culture.

Donors can email to get a digital copy.
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The film focuses on the male baby, his journey from the womb to the world and reveals healing and integrating the mother, father, and baby's wounded birth experience. The film is about the restoring of our families, society, and world through birthing loved, protected, and nurtured males (and females, of course). It's about empowering males to support the females to birth humanity safely, lovingly, and consciously.

Finally, a birth film for fathers.

What People Are Saying About the FIlm

Well, I finally had a chance to check out the trailer and .. wow! It's nice that they're acknowledging the father has more than just cursory rights (of course mom's rights are rarely acknowledged either) and it's great that they're bringing out the impact of the experience on the newborn, but I'm really impressed that they're not shying away from the political side.

They are rightly calling what happens in every American maternity unit, every day, by its rightful name - abuse. Abuse of the newborn, abuse of the parents and their rights, abuse of the supposedly sacrosanct ethical principal of patient autonomy and the medico-legal doctrine of informed consent, which has been long ago discarded in all but name. I love it!

In the immortal words of the "shrub", "bring it on!" This film needs to be shown and if I can help facilitate or promote it, let me know.

Father in Asheville, NC

OMG'ess, I just saw the trailer and am in tears. This is so needed. I watch over and over and over as fathers get swallowed in the fear of hospitals birth practice. I need a tool like this to help fathers see how very vital it is for them to protect their partner and baby. I am torn apart every time I see a father stand back and chew his knuckle while his wife is essentially assaulted or his baby is left to lie there screaming.
Please send me more info!!!!
Carrie Hankins
CD(DONA), CCCE, Aspiring Midwife

Thanks for sharing this. It was very touching to me. I thought of my brother-in-law standing on the other side of the glass when my sister had to have a C-section with her first child because the doctor was missing his golf date. I'll never forget his pacing back and forth and my realizing that he was already a father, even though he hadn't been allowed to be with his son yet.

Margaret, Columbia, MO

In case you don't find me here

Soon, I'll be back to heavy-duty editing and it will be quiet here again. I keep thinking this blog is winding down, and then it revives. It is so important to me.

I wish I'd kept a blog of my journey with this film this past 10 months. It's been amazing.

I have a new blog address for the film, and will keep a journal of simple reporting of the journey for the rest of the film.

I'll be heading east this week to meet with a group of men. I plan to post pictures and clips on the film blog.

I'll keep up here when I can -- when I learn something juicy, outrageous, or inspiring related to making birth safer for the birthing baby.

Review of the film

Most of us were born surrounded by people who had no clue about how aware and feeling we were. This trailer triggers a lot of emotions for people if they have not considered the baby's needs and were not considered as a baby. Most of us born in the US were not. The final film will include detailed and profound information about the science-based, cutting-edge therapies for healing birth trauma.

The full film will have the interviews of a wider spectrum of professionals and fathers, and will include a third birth, at home, where the caregivers do a necessary intervention, suctioning, while being conscious of the baby.

The final version will feature OBs, RNs, CNMs, LM, CPM, Doulas, childbirth educators, pre and perinatal psychologists and trauma healing therapists, physiologists, neurologists, speech therapists and lots and lots of fathers -- will hopefully be done in early 2009.

The final version will include the science needed to advocated for delayed cord clamping, and the science that shows when a baby needs to be suctioned and addresses other interventions. Experts in conscious parenting will teach how to be present with a sentient newborn in a conscious, gentle way -- especially when administering life-saving techniques.

The goal is to keep the baby in the mother's arms so that the baby gets all of his or her placental blood and to avoid unnecessary, violating, and abusive touch and interactions. When we do that, whether at home or hospital, with doctor or midwife, the birth is safe for the father. The "trick" for birthing men and women is how to make it happen in the hospital.

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